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July 16, 2014 at 11:47 am #2321SoonershineParticipant
I read somewhere not to use the high doller turbo yeast an just use Baker Yeast it was what they had back in the day ??
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July 16, 2014 at 2:29 pm #2322Richard Coleman, JrKeymaster
I personally never use turbo yeast- I don’t like the cost but mainly I feel that turbo yeast leaves behind a bad taste in the washes.
I personally use a lot of brewing yeast- I like ale yeast, ( bry97, us05, etc) wine yeast, bread yeast, champagne yeast, distillers yeastI use bread yeast on my rum recipe as I like the flavor it brings out in the mash
I like to use ale yeast on fruits and cornyou can use any yeast along with yeast nutrients which will ferment a big mash
You can also use a product such as Amyloglucosidase which is an enzyme used to break down complex starches and sugars -which allows for very low ending gravities.I always recommend making a 10 gallon batch of a mash-
split the batch into 2 fermenter
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July 16, 2014 at 8:54 pm #2332MashMasterParticipant
I only use turbo when I make a sugar shine. I try and get close to 20% on my sugar shine and the turbo does a good job. I strip all of the flavor out of this wash though, I would not use it on anything other than neutral spirit.
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July 16, 2014 at 11:04 pm #2333SoonershineParticipant
Im making corn mash in 30gal. fermenter with a air-lock(I made it myself). I put 25lb corn,100lb sugar,23gal water,2 packs of turbo(2/3 cup ea.),3 & 1/2 cups red star yeast 4 cups total. This is where I having my problem is with the yeast I tryed alot of recipes an just can’t get the yeast right any help ???
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July 16, 2014 at 11:23 pm #2335Richard Coleman, JrKeymaster
Ok-
so the starting gravity for 23 gallons of water with 100 pounds of sugar (without any sugar the corn may add) will give a starting gravity of 1.197… which if the yeast could ferment down to 1.000 would be over 25%. That is too much for the yeast to handle.
Yeast is not going to be able to ferment that down – you are just wasting sugar.I would not push any yeast over 20% (I personally don’t push over 18% with sugar)
I would add 60 pounds of sugar should give you around a possible 15% (that is without adding any sugar the corn might add) if it ferments down to 1.000
What kind of corn are you using?
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July 16, 2014 at 11:50 pm #2336SoonershineParticipant
crack corn from the feed store 50lb. bag
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July 16, 2014 at 11:59 pm #2337Richard Coleman, JrKeymaster
Cracked Corn won’t give you much sugar unless you are mashing at a really high temperature with enzymes.
what is your mash process?I’d do the same mash using 60 pounds of sugar and use 12 packs of bread yeast. It might not hurt to add some yeast nutrient as well.
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July 17, 2014 at 12:16 am #2338SoonershineParticipant
I don’t have a set mash recipe this is the frist time I have made corn mash in a long time Im trying them paint strainer bags I run sugar shine most of the time. I don’t know of this nutrient ? this is all new to me Im just grtting started if I may ask how do you do the % water to sugar to corn to yeast ?
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July 17, 2014 at 12:19 am #2339SoonershineParticipant
Im not getting my e-mail from here so Im checking back
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July 17, 2014 at 3:19 am #2341Richard Coleman, JrKeymaster
You can buy nutrient any homebrew shop. Click HERE for a link
When making a mash add sugar a little at a time until your hydrometer reads around 1.1 for a sugar shine.(if you don’t have a hydrometer click here)
You might have issues pushing the yeast that hard and might be better off starting with a bit lower starting gravity.
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July 17, 2014 at 10:26 am #2348SoonershineParticipant
I do have a hydrometer(just got it) not sure how to use it yet not much info. came with it.I well check with my brew shop here to see if they have yeast nutient
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July 17, 2014 at 2:10 pm #2349SoonershineParticipant
My brew shop has the yeast nutient in 8oz. what the % of that to yeast ?
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July 17, 2014 at 2:23 pm #2350Richard Coleman, JrKeymaster
The nutrient should say on the package- Usually around one teaspoon per gallon of wash.
Checkout the link I sent earlier on the hydrometer , also check youtube for hydrometer videos-
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July 17, 2014 at 2:23 pm #2351SoonershineParticipant
Ok Im going to start a new mash with 25lb. corn,60lb sugar,3t.yeast(red star) an 1 pack yeast nutient(8oz.) to 23gal. water P.S. I do boil my corn what do you think ?
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July 17, 2014 at 10:36 pm #2376BeverageCommanderParticipant
I would boil the corn for an hour or so with about 10 gallons of water
add cold water to cool it down to around 155
once it is at 155 add Amylase Enzyme
stir the emzyme into the mash- let it sit for an hour or so
after you let it mash for an hour or so
add the rest the water needed
once the mash is around 80 degrees add the yeastthat sounds like a plan
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July 18, 2014 at 12:17 am #2378SoonershineParticipant
Is the Amylase Enzyme the same as the nutient
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July 18, 2014 at 12:46 am #2379Richard Coleman, JrKeymaster
They are different.
pickup both at the brew shop- or click the link above to order online
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July 18, 2014 at 10:10 am #2385SoonershineParticipant
at the brew shop here Im looking online the only Enzyme I see is Pectic Enzyme(1oz.) Is this the same ? they have yeast Nutrient an Energizer
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July 18, 2014 at 2:25 pm #2387Richard Coleman, JrKeymaster
That is not the same- I’d just order a 1 pound bag online– as corn won’t convert without it.
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July 19, 2014 at 10:05 am #2396SoonershineParticipant
Thanks guy’s I m going to put a new mash together as soon as I run the one I got now.I got the enzyme an nutrient I’ll let you know how it goes
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July 19, 2014 at 2:34 pm #2397Richard Coleman, JrKeymaster
Great- if you are going to use the Amylase Enzyme I’d take a hydrometer reading after you mash for 60 minutes.
Boil the corn for an hour or – then cool to 155 and add the Amylase Enzyme and mash for an hour you will get some good conversion from the conn. The Amylase Enzyme will convert the starch from the corn into sugar. Take a hydrometer reading as you will need to add less sugar.Keep us posted
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July 29, 2014 at 9:59 pm #2439SoonershineParticipant
Ok the mash I had going the one with 25lb. cron,100lb sugar,4 cups yeast(1 1/2 cups turbo an2 1/2 cups red star) an 23 gal. water I got 5gal. of 130 proof
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July 30, 2014 at 9:10 pm #2444JimmySuttonKeymaster
Soonershine, sounds about right to me. I was calculating a max yield of 7 gallons of 100 prof (assuming that the corn was just for flavor and wasn’t contributing any sugar). If you proofed your 5 gals of 130 down to 100 you’d have 6.5 gallons. Did you make cuts or is it all mixed together?
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July 31, 2014 at 10:05 am #2446SoonershineParticipant
Jimmy – no I didn’t cut it. Im going to start a new bach with 25lb. corn(Im going to boil the corn an I have Amylase Enzyme to add),60lb. sugar,25gal. water. Im not sure how much red star(baker yeast) to add I do have yeast Nutrient to add as well any help ?
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