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    • #4529
      Davey1980
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      Followed the recipe to the exact calling. Ended up with an original gravity of 1.02 @ 83 degrees. I know to check it again around room temp (72) but I feel its not gonna be much different. Should I have actually let the mash maintain 165 degrees for an hour and half instead take off heat for good at 152? Seems I got no sugar. Help

      http://www.clawhammersupply.com/blogs/moonshine-still-blog/11454449-corn-whiskey-recipe?page=1

    • #4530
      JimmySutton
      Keymaster

      You want to mash at 152–you will pull the most fermentable sugars between 148-152.

      You don’t want to mash at 165. 165 is much too hot and will create a lot more unfermentable sugars.

      Did you use flaked maize and crushed malted barley from a homebrew shop?

      • #4533
        Davey1980
        Participant

        Cracked corn @ 8.5lbs. Bought at Tractor supply. 2row crushed malted barley. 1.5lbs got it from a local brewery

    • #4532
      BeverageCommander
      Participant

      I would just slowly add some white sugar to the mash until you reach around 1.055 or so.

      No need to waste the mash- something did not go correctly but it will still make some damn fine mash.
      If you don’t have white sugar add brown, honey, molasses, anything to get the Starting Gravity up.

      It will be fine

    • #4540
      JimmySutton
      Keymaster

      The reason the recipe did not work is because you used cracked corn instead of flaked corn– there is a big difference.

      You will not pull sugar out of the cracked corn- you will pull flavor.

      Flaked corn (maize) has been processed so the sugars can easily be extracted during a mash process. It is more expensive but it is worth it in my opinion as it makes a great whiskey.

      http://www.homebrewing.org/product.asp?itemid=441&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping&gclid=CNuZy8KPm8kCFUQ2gQodzYcAXw

      Add sugar as bevcommander suggested. You will get a decent flavor.

      Next time you run this recipe get the flaked maize and I’m sure you will notice a difference between the two batches.

      • #4541
        Davey1980
        Participant

        Will do. Thanks for the help guys.

    • #4542
      JimmySutton
      Keymaster

      Add the sugar and keep us posted.

      It will turn out good regardless… never toss it down the drain for something like that!

    • #4544
      Davey1980
      Participant

      Added sugar. Take two reading along the way and got it up to 1.055. Took about 3 lbs. Thanks for tips.

    • #4545
      JimmySutton
      Keymaster

      Right on!

    • #4546
      Davey1980
      Participant

      Fermenting nicely so far. Bubbling every 2-3 seconds.

    • #4547
      JimmySutton
      Keymaster

      Great. I’d let it go for at least a week- then take a hydrometer reading. I like to go at least a week – the yeast will start to drop to the bottom leaving behind a clear wash at the top.

    • #4548
      Davey1980
      Participant

      http://www.artisan-distiller.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1044

      Check this out! You can get extra 35% sugar with this steep method. Really good read.

    • #4549
      Davey1980
      Participant

      http://www.artisan-distiller.net/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=465

      Here is the PDF of the whole corn whisky process with cracked corn.

    • #4558
      Davey1980
      Participant

      Okay. So the fermenting stopped and checked fg in at 1.01

      So my abv is 5.91

      Is that worth distilling?

    • #4559
      BeverageCommander
      Participant

      I’d run it- the yield won’t be spectacular but I bet the flavor will be good.

      6% is bad- I shoot between 6.5-8 usually.

    • #4560
      Davey1980
      Participant

      Why such a low abv? From what I’ve read most ppl want 13%-16%. With 20% being max.

      • #4563
        BeverageCommander
        Participant

        I’ve found yeast starts to leave off flavors if I push above 8%. I like the flavor that comes though with 8. I’ve talked to a lot of craft distilleries over years and I have yet to find one that pushes over 9%

        There is a good Interview with short mountain distillery- they discuss this:

        “Short Mountain Distillery: We use a specific gravity hydrometer to calculate our potential abv. The initial density of the Short Mountain Shine mash is usually at 1.068 S.G. At this starting density our completed fermentation will have an abv content in the 9% range. Starting gravities in excess of 1.070 tend to have extended fermentation times and risk becoming stuck when using traditional yeast strains. You can use alternate yeast strains such as turbo yeast (which have an increased tolerance to alcohol) to bump your initial density, but these yeast strains generally produce a distillate you would rather put in your vehicle instead of your mouth.”

        here is the article link: http://www.clawhammersupply.com/blogs/moonshine-still-blog/14266277-secrets-of-moonshining-with-short-mountain-distillery

    • #4561
      Davey1980
      Participant

      I’m about to do a 5 gallon wash with…
      10lbs corn sugar/dextrose
      Yeast nutrient
      Sweet corn for flavor
      Little citric acid
      And not sure about what yeast I wanna use. Either turbo 24 or bakers yeast. Maybe a combo of both. Idk. I’ve read so many bad things about turbo yet I want to get the highest abv from it. What’s your guys thoughts?

      • #4564
        BeverageCommander
        Participant

        I personally don’t like Turbo- but I also have no need for it as I don’t push above 8%

    • #4565
      Davey1980
      Participant

      So I used 8lbs of corn sugar and 4 gal of water. My OG is at potential alcohol is 8%. 1.075.

    • #4566
      BeverageCommander
      Participant

      I don’t do much with sugar but I know most folks that make sugar push the starting gravity. I pretty much only do single malts as that is what I prefer.
      Maybe you would do a test?
      a batch at 8% and a batch at 18% and see if you can notice a difference? I think that would be a cool experiment.

    • #4569
      Davey1980
      Participant

      So first alcohol run with my still. Ran great up to 158-160 degrees. Then it all of a sudden jumped to 200+ degree. Wtf? I panicked and took it off the heat. Moved to a small burner and gonna start again.

    • #4570
      Davey1980
      Participant

      HELP!!!

    • #4571
      BeverageCommander
      Participant

      How long were you running the still? Once you hit the tails the temp can jump- Where are you measuring your temperature?

    • #4572
      Davey1980
      Participant

      I’m so tired!! Lol

      I started around 10pm been up since.

      I have my thermometer at the top of my potstill. I measuring the steam I guess. Had my stove which is electric set at 7/10 for about idk… 40 minutes. All was going slow til it hit around 160 degrees. Then bam! It jumps to 200+. I shut it down. It starts leaking at my seal on the lid and I panic. So I move to another burner. A small one, and set it on 2.5/10 once the thermometer reads below 155 degrees. Seems like the magic #. Once it gets up to 175 I pull a head cut and start doing hearts. Its been a consistent drip at around 2-3 seconds per drip. Its still going!!! I’m collecting in half pint jars so in case I don’t like my first cut or have a choice on my start of tails. But 11 hours later I’m sitting at 183 degrees. From what I’ve read I collect to body/hearts til around 190 degrees. This has been a crazy 1st experience. That’s for sure.

    • #4573
      BeverageCommander
      Participant

      I don’t really pay attention to temperature except for taking notes.
      I just crank the heat until it starts producing and then dial it back until I have a 3-10 drips a second. I use the temperature to take notes but I don’t rely on it for production.
      Always go by flow-

      Smart move on turning it off when it started leaking!!!! never run a still that is leaking

    • #4574
      Davey1980
      Participant

      Being my first time and not knowing what to expect in flavor for my cuts I just go by temp and flavor. Of course the first 200ml tasted terrible and that’s about when I hit 175 degree. Its still dripping at a steady rate of 3-10 drops per second and only at 184 degrees. The taste has calmed down a bit. Exactly what is the best way to know when to cut tails? I was start at 190 degrees since I’m not experienced.

    • #4578
      BeverageCommander
      Participant

      I run my still to around 205– but I run my still until my tails are around 10% ABV or 20 proof.

      Cuts take time to learn- the best way to do it is just to collect in small collection jars- label them 1-15 (or whatever the last number is) Taste each jar at the end of the run and take notes in a notebook.
      You will be able to taste the heads– then the heads turn into the hearts– and then hearts turn into the tails.
      On your next run you will have a better idea on what each part of the run tastes like- use small jars- take notes, put your finger under the output and taste it as you go.

    • #4580
      Davey1980
      Participant

      Okay thank you. So as long as I got rid of the foreshort (first 200ml) I have nothing to worry about as far as it killing me. Other than alcohol poisoning. Lol. Correct?

      So the rest is just what I like the taste of. To determine heart cuts.

      One more thing. I was cleaning the top to my pot still and noticed that the wing nuts I used weren’t stainless steel. They got rusted. How will that affect my fuel?

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